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Kelman Interview
George Bass :: 13 August 2008 |
The sky is blue like holiday chlorine, and London seems just about ready to combust. Fortunately, Wayne Gooderham has selected a pub with a fire escape and breezes, so the threat of another 1666 is being repelled by pints of chilled 1664. Sitting straight-backed in his neutral Levis and sipping at frosty French lager, Gooderham could be just other office bod chilling out after dress-down Friday. Youd never think that hes come up with music so slick and open-hearted; Kelmans urbanised indie goes beyond the ergonomics of the Swan-filtered skinnyfit Camdenites, and instead braves an altogether more treacherous current in pursuit of something new. Taking one of the most uncomfortable sensations we ally with musicthose frazzled expectations and guilty loadstones which surface at the death of the eveningthe London trio calmly engrave their inner monologues with a steady, calloused hand, creating a cresting and sensual assault that comes for its audience like the tide towards Canute.
The problem? Well, it would seem that, for the most part, few people are prepared to dip their toes in the foam. Any critics lucky enough to stumble into Kelman Country have been instantly magnetised, hiking their way even further in once they google the name and get past the flinty Scots novelist. Gooderham and co. won high acclaim for their early EPs from no fewer than than ten critics, but when it came to the release of their debut LP (2006s Loneliness Has Kept Us Alive) it was the singer left to settle up at the pressing plant. PR-wise, no-one would touch themneither label nor promoter, nor cred-seeking record stallbut Gooderham took it on the chin, convinced it was only a matter of time before a heavyweight would step up and bite off his ear. Two years, one single, a cover and a freshly-mastered album later, and with the cooled saloon of the Plumbers Arms [sic] starting to swarm with off-duty project managers, a famished Gooderham peels his eyes from the fastening food hatch and opens up about his bands sophomore record, I Felt My Sad Heart Soar, and the challenge faced in meeting the expectations of the nine people he predicts will buy it.
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CMGs George Bass (CMG): Hows this for a good start: Ive been googling till my fingers sting and have yet to turn up a dot of bad press about Kelman.
Wayne Gooderham (WG): Oh, really?
CMG: The only thing is, the positive pressand were talking anode-positive, youve got some ardent fans out therecan be counted on the fingers of a long-sighted lathe turner. How exactly is it you manage to stay so undiscovered? I mean, theres bloggers out there wholl put money on you being the Next Medium Thing.
WG: Wow. Well, er, fuck knows. I honestly couldnt tell you if my life depended on it, and sometimes I have days where I feel like it does, I tell you. I hope its not karma for something I cant remember.
CMG: I mean, from what Ive read, youre getting plenty of admirable comparisons in your reviews: Tindersticks, Hefner, the Wedding Present
WG: Hmmm
actually, I dont really get a lot of the comparisons, if Im honest. Not out of snobbery or confusion or anything, I just havent heard the music theyre comparing us to. Ive done a gig with Darren Hayman but Ive never heard any Hefner, and I only first listened to the Wedding Present six months ago: the famous one with the dark cover.
CMG: Seamonsters?
WG: Yeah, Seamonsters. Its a great album, but Dave Gedges voice grates mehis deliverys a bit too pantomime for my liking.
CMG: Wow
though I suppose, saying that, you couldnt exactly call Kelmans music an arty or aloof counterpart, could you? Given your subject matter, people might say youre a pretty coarse act yourself. I mean, if you look at Untethered, there you are sliding misguidedly into a primal trance while organs start clashing like thunderclouds. In a lot of ways its very Streets.
WG: Er, is that big S or small s?
CMG: Little from Column A, a little from Column B.
WG: Cool. Well, the earthy direction is something we were after from the word go on this one. It probably started with writing and recording our last single, Is This How It Ends. We were trying to stoke interest in the band, just remind people that we existed after the minuscule response to our first record, so we tried to come up with something that felt like one of our gigs with the lights off. Loneliness Has Kept Us Alive was our New Order albumthis time we wanted something less refined.
CMG: On Postcards, you pump out this sound which is kind of like a Hammond-driven sea shanty, and the earlier song you mentioned, Is This How It Ends, is an amplified strumfest where glockenspiels wink like black runways. Why go so serrated?
WG: Well, its not a case of forcing an overhaul or anything: in fact, we prefer polishing the limitations we set ourselves rather than trying to exceed them. We really like how we sound live, and wanted to make a record that reflected that. Bar a couple of overdubs, nearly all the songs are live takes. Also, this is the first album where we all had equal input into the recording and mixing process. Paul [Ragsdale, keyboards] was originally our producer he came in as a member halfway through the first albumso this is our only full-length venture to date where weve all had our hand in. And Im really pleased with what weve finished up with.
CMG: God help anyone hearing it whos been dumped in the last hour
WG: Ha. Well, you say that, but Id like to think its a lot brighter overall than the first record. The songs on I Felt My Sad Heart Soar are intended to focus slightly more on elevation than anything else. Hence the title, I suppose. Wed never set out to write a suicide note or music for a wankers doomId like to think theres enough hope here to help lever most people off the floor. It doesnt last for long, though, and thats probably why tracks like Kicking Cans All The Way Home are also the shortest. Theyre relentlessly optimistic.
CMG: Talking of times, both this album and the last clocked in at slightly shy of forty minutes. Was that intentional, or do you always accidentally record the second half of your albums on the other side of the CD?
WG: No one wants to hear you go overboard and harp on, so thats probably why our full-lengths are so short. When it came to making Loneliness Has Kept Us Alive, I wanted to make it run for exactly thirty-three and a third minutes. I was thirty-three at the time, and kept waking up at 3:33 in the morning. Id look at the radio, check the time and go back to sleep, feeling there was an omen in the digits. Nowadays Im not quite so certain, but heyI still love short albums. Station To Station is a good example: six tracks in less than the space of a driving test. I think in this day and age thats as much of someones attention as you can reasonably ask for, and aesthetically, I just like the idea of a forty-five minutes max record, like a film that lasts precisely an hour and a half. Also, the world definitely doesnt need an eighty-minute Kelman album, Im pretty sure of that. Really I think any release going over three quarters of an hour is just falling victim to its authors over-indulgence.
CMG: Its funny you should say that, having just made a record where one track eats up a quarter of the total duration.
WG: Oh, you mean NYE?
CMG: Yeah. You seemed to really go for the epic finale with that one. Youve got your horns, your cellos, your stellar twinkles and your lapping guitars, and theyre all lighting up this story of one particular December 31st where the narrator finally, happily cops off. Thats what I got anyway, but then again the And Im meaning every pick-up line / For the first time in my life lyric is a bit too booze-fuelled and deceptive after all the doubt and Wurlitzers.
WG: Well, it must be one of those question mark endings, then. The reversible illusion.
CMG: I suppose its no coincidence then that, on a New Years Eve some two hundred and forty years ago, Horace Walpole came up with the idea that life is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel?
WG: I think youve just working-titled the next album.
CMG: Well before we start talking fees and percentages: it does certainly seem to sum up the way you snap your wishbone before recording the tunes, doesnt it? When you get the smaller end then the album seems to serve as a conduit for mans deepest phobias: Monday will never stop coming, every womans more experienced, your socks are visibly tacky
Irvine Welsh once claimed that authors are musicians forced to admit they can only play the Word Processor. Given your own background in kitchen-sink prose, how does it feel to be swimming backstroke?
WG: Ha! Well, if I wasnt doing one then Id almost certainly be doing the other. Maybe Ill end up as a novelist one day if I feel I can settle on one particular adventure, but for the most part Im happy writing songs I like to think people can relate to. Im not writing anything else at the moment.
CMG: No short stories on the horizon? When I first sat down and listened to The Pursued, The Pursuing, The Busy & The Tired with blank paper and headphones, I got this page-turning little flashback stitched in the charge of the track: a bloke with his head buried in the thighs of his girl, his teenage oblivion vanquished as he finally gushes at the taste of victory. Who doesnt want to hear more of that?
WG: Nuns, probably. Nuns and small children.
CMG: Maybe so, but you should still consider auditioning for Book at Bedtime if you ever put down your guitar. All you need is a huge leatherback chair and a brandy the size of a diving bell, and youre laughing.
WG: Well, joking aside, I always mean what I say when I get on stage, so thats probably what keeps me from a straight move to fiction. Id never ask the audiences sympathy while Im up there under the lights, and Im not setting out to write a showreelsong for Fridays, song for drinking alone, etc. Basically I just try to document experiences I think are worth sharing and transform them into something you can play on your iPod or expect people to enjoy. Itd just be nice if the material we put out could reach some more of those people.
CMG: Thats what gives me the feeling that, at the moment, it must be difficult to apportion frustration in the Kelman world. Revisiting the trauma that forms the arc of the songs is one thing, but producing and releasing them to a wall of indifference is the stuff of true terrors. Do you ever wonder which itch to attack first?
WG: I know what pains me most and I can tell you now, its definitely the egg, i.e. releasing to a shrug. Id much rather people would come to a gig and shout things at us rather than come and shout over us, I really would. Perhaps the more passionate would-be listeners are put off by our refusal to play the indie game, the one where you carry a martyr card in the secret hope itll bring you back to life. We dont schmoozetheres an ex-manager who found that out the frustrating waybut thats a group decision, not just mine. Were not looking for a record deal either, really just a positive promoter, someone to help get us out there.
CMG: Kind of a Max Clifford in corduroy.
WG: If you like. The songs are written to be heard, after all. Personally, I wouldnt pretend to rate a band I didnt think werent genuinely trying to engage you. All we want to do is play decent gigs to decent crowds, and deep down, I know thats why Id probably prefer to see Smog play the Carling Academy than watch four pairs of Converse All Stars struggle to rock out the Hope & Anchor. People say every band has to slog at the start of their career, but when youve been in it for years and you start asking your audience if all five of them can hear you halfway through a song, its hard not to feel like youre being whacked with the shitty end of the stick. Id just like to keep people interestedall else is propaganda. Im not saying you should cut off your nose to spite your face, but I probably would.
CMG: Is that not all part and parcel of the Kelman switcheroo act, though?
WG: ¿Qué?
CMG: On stage, the band seem to function behind a sort of smokescreen. Up trundle these three man-scouts, seemingly softer than molten butter, then a slow plectrum slashes and the air comes alive with bleak and blasé barbs. Behind the polite strumming and keyboard hoots, Kelman disseminate venom, it has to be said. Do your bandmates ever flinch the way a five-strong audience does?
WG: Its funny, but Ive never looked at us in that light before. The single most important things to our music are good tunes and honesty, so I suppose a few listeners are surprised they can connect to the more peculiar nuances in the vocals. Kelman are more about maintaining that core connection than anything else. Mind you, a lot of the darker songs come about as a result of me writing about the state of Kelman rather than the shards of my own lovelife. Its like, whats more tragicthe death or the gravestone? A shit job or shit wages?
CMG: How do you meter out your own shit job against the writing of such non-shit songs? Is it a case of cramming lyrics into the coffee crossword, or answering emails whilst doing a mix?
WG: Im lucky in that Ive got nine-to-five employment so Ive got my evenings free, but I always carry a notebook wherever I am, just in case an idea starts to get away from me. Not that the songs happen overnight: Is This How It Ends rattled round my head for two years before I knew I had it right. The best things dont necessarily come to those who wait, but things come regardless, thats for sure. If Is This How It Ends could have sold enough when it was released as a single to cover two years cost of living, then I suppose all these mantras would become obsolete.
CMG: Well, the ripples of fame are traditionally the building blocks for the conventional third LP. Should the unthinkable happen, have you got any stuff on standby about tangling with scoop-hungry cameramen or the injustice of scoring duff crack?
WG: Nah, never. How could you put your heart into writing a song about concept cars or something to help sell your Visa account? Widespread fame and all its associated excesses have dismantled a lot of great musicians as Ive got older, and Id much rather have a following who appreciate us for the quality of our output. To be honest Id be happy with the way things are now if I could earn enough money from the music to downgrade from a full-time admin job to a part-time stint in a bookshop.
CMG: Not counting bookshops, what else have you got in mind for the future?
WG: Believe it or not, shiftydisco.co.uk are putting up three of our tracks for download over the next few months, so thats a step in a brighter direction. In terms of material
well, apart from some new songs Im working on Ive been toying with a few covers at the moment, but I keep finding myself re-writing the verses. I can never seem to sing things I cant imagine doing, so tracks about twenty-dollar hookers are a bit over my head. But the art of a good cover is to try and make the song your own
or is that good plagiarism? Either way, Im happy to stay in the Velvet Underground covering Tom Waits bracket for a little longer yet. Thats why we went with the Kelman name in the first place, by the way. In a previous interview, I was asked what literary character I could most relate to. And I straight away put down Patrick Doyle from James Kelmans A Disaffection.
CMG: What, so your spare times spent trying to pull married teachers?
WG: All the time.
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The pub is now jammed and doormen are straining to keep order on the pavement. Around us, the shiny-arses are taking their ties off, quaffing back the Jekyll Juice while they yap about stab wounds and flexitime. As Gooderham tells me of an impromptu Blue Valentines cover hell email me in the morning, I cant help wishing that one of the beermat-flipping admin wasnt secretly interning at Polydor. It will take nothing short of a lunar anomaly to add the Shifty Disco link to any of their e-mail circulars, yet across the table from them is a whiff of the elixir theyve been scrambling for: a sound fished from some deep and lonely bolthole, something with the power to enslave and liberate.
On I Felt My Sad Heart Soar, Kelman again document a nations repeated battle with stamina thanks to its taste for a legal depressant, as well as providing some much-needed succor for the dawn evangelists wriggling under unfamiliar duvets. This time, though, theres no time for half measures, and the band are tantalisingly close to reaching 100% proof. Once you twist the lid and break the seal its a pleasure to feel their music slowly oxidizeyou just wish that a few more people would start reacting.
I nod at Gooderhams glass. Its half empty.
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CMG: Same again?
WG: I bloody hope not.
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